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So here we are in A.W.
Tozer for the Christian leader, May 16th.
The title is Preach to Make Them Sweat.
That would be a very smelly
church after a while.
It reminds me of King MMA,
which is in Anaheim,
where my son goes and does
Mai Tai and kickboxing.
Kind of stinky in there.
Oh, my gosh.
The old place.
They got a brand new place.
I don't know if I told you that.
Oh, no.
It's like three times as big.
It's not on La Palma anymore?
Kind of.
It's off of La Palma now.
But, man,
however many years they've been there,
it's in the walls.
Yeah, it's very, I don't know.
Nelly.
so preach to make them sweat
right um acts 2 37 is the
reference for aw and it
says now when they heard
this they were pricked in
their heart and said unto
peter and to the rest of
the apostles men and
brethren what shall we do I
preach to my congregation
week after week and I pray
that I may be able to
preach with such convicting
power that my people will sweat
I do not want them to leave
my services feeling good.
So strange.
The last thing I want to do
is to give them some kind
of religious tranquilizer
and let them go to hell in
their relaxation.
The Christian church was
designed to make sinners sweat.
I have always believed that,
and I still believe it.
The messages preached in our
churches should make
backslidden Christians sweat.
And if I achieve that objective,
then when I preach,
I thank God with all my heart,
no matter what people think of me.
Lord, help me to preach with boldness,
not concerned with what
people think of me.
Amen.
You know what's interesting
is that I think when I was
walking around my old
church as a Christian in a moment,
As a man walking around the church,
I think if I would have
heard the messages that I
hear now today from Pastor
Jack Gibbs and Pastor Bob,
I might have sweated.
Which would have been the point.
Yeah, but now I love it.
I don't sweat at all.
Yeah,
but wouldn't it have been better if
he sweated earlier and got convicted?
Yes.
Right?
That's the problem, actually.
I was listening to...
This message is coming
across to me in several different ways.
So I listen to Jackie Perry a lot,
as you know.
Fire.
She's pure fire.
And so she's preaching a lot
about this problem, about false teachers.
And
a nurse of Jesus.
And I kind of,
because I came from that broken place,
I really liked the self-help preachers.
But then the Lord drew me to
expository teaching through
Pastor Jack and knowing
that I had to fully understand the Bible.
Some people get stuck in the
whole nurse of Jesus, but, and so her,
her,
point is if you don't stop
listening to that
self-helpy kind of churchy stuff,
then you start to get
pieces of the gospel that are wrong.
And then you miss Jesus in
the midst of the gospel.
In other words,
we're supposed to read the
Bible and go to church to
learn more about Jesus,
not more about ourselves.
But that equation has been
turned on its head in
American Christianity.
And it's all about how you can get better.
How do I get holier?
How do I get friendlier?
How do I become a better spouse?
All those things that are good qualities,
but they're not.
Oh,
she had this brilliant quote that I'm
going to use.
But it's how we get better qualities,
but they're not about
learning who Jesus is.
So this one,
she had this one quote that I
just thought was, I don't, so she says,
I don't want to be a better
person and be a faithless person.
Let's say you're a better person,
but it's detached from God.
You're still going to hell.
I was like, mic drop.
Exactly.
Because the churches are
teaching us how to be better people,
how to have a better marriage,
how to steward your money,
how to not be angry, how to find joy.
How to be silent.
How all these things about
how you can change.
The very reason why we left the church.
Right.
But in all of that, she's like,
where is Jesus in all of that?
She's like,
so you have a bunch of
Christians walking around
as better people,
but they're still going to
hell because they're not
connected to Christ.
So I thought that was pretty deep.
That was really good.
Read that one more time.
I don't want to be a better
person and be a faithless person.
So let's say you're a better person,
but you're detached from God.
You are still going to hell.
In other words,
if you have not repented
and turned and handed your
life over to the Lord as
your Lord and savior,
then you're just learning
self-help techniques.
The gospel has been filtered
to you through the lens of
how do I get better?
So she's not saying not to
be a better person,
but don't be a better
person at the expense of God.
Of God.
That all you're taking out
of the Bible is this is how I get better.
Because if I get better,
I'm going to get more things.
You know what I mean?
She calls it the
neo-prosperity gospel
because it's not just I'm
going to get a new car like
Benny Hinn used to do.
I'm going to get rich and
God wants me to be rich.
The neo-prosperity gospel is all about
I'm going to be real Zen.
And she's like,
she gave these examples of how, like,
I have to, I have to set boundaries.
Like she says, all the,
all the Christians on
social media are like, you know,
these are my limits.
I'm setting these boundaries.
And she's like,
where is that in a love God
with all your heart,
might and power and love
your neighbor as yourself?
Where is, I have boundaries.
She's like,
that is nowhere in the gospel
set of boundaries.
We're going to be talking
about a couple of
boundaries over here with swindlers.
But other than that, there's nothing.
That's not a that's a made
up thing that my joy
depends on not ministering
to other people or being
nice to people in church
because I've set boundaries.
Right.
Wow.
Hey, Carrie.
Nice to see you.
Hi, Carrie.
Kate is on.
She says she's late, but not that late.
No, I think it's late for her.
It's probably like midnight for her.
What time is it for you, Kate?
Yeah.
She's in Australia, by the way.
Carrie says.
Parsing scripture last 30
years has led people to
think the Bible should make
you feel good.
And sadly, not about Jesus.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's where we're at.
Why don't we go right into Acts 2.30, 2.37,
2.47.
Right.
So this is after Peter has
preached his miraculous prophecy.
sermon, and this is the people's reaction.
When the people heard this,
they were cut to the heart
and said to Peter and the other apostles,
brothers, what shall we do?
Peter replied, repent and be baptized,
every one of you,
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the forgiveness of your sins,
and you will receive the
gift of the Holy Spirit,
the promises for you and
your children and all who are far off,
for all whom the Lord our God will call."
With many words he warned
them and pleaded with them,
save yourselves from this
corrupt generation.
Those who accepted his
message were baptized and
about 3,000 were added to
their number that day.
And then as a result,
this is the way they behaved.
They devoted themselves to the apostles,
teaching and to fellowship,
to breaking bread and to prayer.
Everyone was filled with awe
at the many wonders and
signs performed by the apostles.
All the believers were
together and had everything in common.
They sold property and
possessions to give to one
another who had need.
Every day they continued to
meet together in the temple courts.
They broke bread in their
homes and ate together with
glad and sincere hearts,
praising God and enjoying
favor of all the people.
And the Lord added to their
number daily of those who
were being saved.
That does not exist anymore.
Yeah.
And just the idea,
and that's juxtaposed that
to what I was saying.
Pastor Jackie was complaining.
I mean, Jackie Perry was complaining that,
you know, we're just all so selfish.
All we think about is I'm
not going to let these people annoy me.
I'm not going to let them
intrude on my personal space.
I have to set limits.
But not only did they have no limits,
they shared everything that
otherwise would have been limited.
Right.
Yeah.
You know where that may
exist is in these other
countries that have far
less and persecution.
Yes.
Yeah,
they come and they find a place to
meet in secrecy and bring
food and clothing for each other.
That's where you'll see that.
Absolutely.
We're just too comfortable.
Too comfortable.
Yeah.
And too selfish.
Right.
We think if we don't have the newest thing,
then we're being persecuted.
Right.
New pair of bell-bottom jeans.
Bell-bottom jeans?
Yes.
Okay.
They're back in fashion.
They are.
I kind of have bell bottoms.
That's so ridiculous of an analogy.
And her boot cut,
which are similar to bell bottoms.
Kelly's joined us.
Hello, Kelly.
Nice to see you.
Hi, Kelly.
You going to pull it up?
Good to see you.
What's that?
Oh, the thing?
Yeah.
No.
No?
Okay.
Lisa Whittathon, saying hi.
Oops, it moved.
And Carrie says,
be saved from this perverse generation,
right?
Isn't that funny?
When I read that, I was like,
oh my goodness,
every generation is perverse.
That's as true now as it was 4,000 years,
2,000 years ago.
No kidding.
And they didn't even have
social media back then when
they were perverse.
Right?
Yeah.
They were just in the raw perversed.
Kate says...
Boundaries are important, reckon.
Jesus had his.
I reckon.
I want to use that.
I reckon.
I want to be using that far more often.
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Yeah, so I really like this.
I like looking back than
some of these devotionals
and see where this message
like would have hit back then.
Like when I was a police officer,
you know how my life would
have been different
discipling to the bad guys.
you know my life would have
been I think a little bit
more um fulfilling towards
obviously towards god for
sure um and uh you know
just would have changed so
many things not just in my
life but probably others uh
and kind of like mine
because some seeds were
planted during that period
of time that you know later
on brought us to this point
today um and then uh like I
said you know walking
around as a christian
thinking that what I was
getting at that time was what
God wanted me to have when
in fact it was what that
man on stage wanted me to
have to make me feel good.
It wasn't necessarily for
the goodness of God and to
give me more about what his
Bible is saying.
I left the church with very little Bible.
I mean,
there's like one verse in the whole
50 minutes or 45 minutes.
At that pace,
it would take you an eternity.
So that brings me with
saying that I want to then
now bring up 1 Corinthians 5,
11 through 13,
which was brought to our
attention yesterday by
Pastor Bob over at Calvary
Chapel East Anaheim.
Well,
and so in context to this devotional
about making you sweat.
So Pastor Bob was going
through Deuteronomy 13,
which has some pretty,
I think we should start
with that because that'll
explain we should go Old
Testament than New Testament.
So he was explaining how
severe some of God's
commandments were for the Israelites,
just as a point of trying
to get them to remember their.
The best way to explain it
is that there should be
nothing more sacred to you
than your faith, not even faith.
Are you teaching it?
Okay.
Not even their, your relationships,
your people, your family,
doesn't matter who,
nothing is more sacred than
your commandments to God.
And so these commandments were sacred.
really intense I just want
to read you one example we
went through 1 through 18
but let's just read 12 to 8
15. so if you hear it said
about one of the towns the
Lord your God is giving you
to live in the
troublemakers have arisen
among you and have led the
people of their town astray
saying let us go and
worship other gods and remember
Worship of the gods could just be,
let's focus on money, let's focus on,
you know, the new agey spirituality,
whatever it may be.
Gods you have not known, parenthetical,
then you must inquire, probe,
and investigate it thoroughly.
Like, don't jump to conclusions,
investigate.
And if it is true,
and it has been proven that
these detestable things
have been done among you,
you must certainly put to
the sword all who live in that town.
You must destroy it completely,
both its people,
And it's livestock.
Why the livestock?
What did they do?
Because nothing can be left of that town.
I'm reading that a lot in Judges.
Oh, God was not.
It's not just kill the men.
No.
Kill the women and the
children and the livestock.
Nothing can be left.
And he says,
you take the plunder from the town,
put it in the middle of the
public square and burn it
all down as a burnt offering to the Lord.
And then the Lord will turn
from his fierce anger and
will show you mercy.
And so Pastor Bob was telling this,
that we need to see how
seriously God takes
holiness and righteousness
and obedience and be
willing to sacrifice our
lives for it and to be
willing to call it out.
So as we know the scripture
about tying a millstone around your neck,
if you're
If anything causes you to sin, escapes me,
then it's better.
Oh,
if you cause one of the young ones to
stumble,
it's better to tie a millstone
around your neck and be
thrown into the sea.
If your hand causes you to stumble,
cut it off.
If your eye causes you to stumble,
pluck it out.
I mean, this is even in the New Testament.
It's not only in the Old Testament.
And so if we look at 1 Corinthians,
and people talk about this all the time,
don't be judgy.
We can't be judgy.
Okay, folks, let's go back.
Let's go back to 1 Corinthians 5, 11-13.
Boy, do I get that a lot.
Right?
You're so judgy.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is Apostle Paul, right?
To the people of Corinth who
were a little loosey-goosey.
And he says,
I meant that you are not to
associate with anyone who
claims to be a believer.
So we're talking about the believers.
We're not talking about the non-believers.
Yet indulges in sexual sin
or is greedy or worships
idols or is abusive,
a drunkard or cheats people.
Don't even eat with such people.
It isn't my responsibility
to judge outsiders,
but it certainly is your
responsibility to judge
those inside the church.
who are sinning.
So not I will judge them,
but you will judge those
inside the church that are sinning.
God will judge those on the outside.
But as the scriptures say,
you must remove the evil
person from among you.
And again,
this is what God was saying
throughout time,
through the Old Testament,
that purge those among you
that are sinning.
openly rebuke them.
Matthew 18,
privately rebuke them if you
have a sin against your brother.
But you openly rebuke those
that are sinning against
the church at large.
And so we were making a joke
last night that, you know,
you go to your neighbor's house,
your friend's house with a bag of rocks.
Be like, hi,
just came to have a little chit chat.
Bag of rocks to stone them.
Ha ha.
So, of course,
we're not going to take this
to its extreme.
But the point being,
we should take the company
we keep seriously.
And Pastor Bob made a really
big point of that.
And he was so delicate about it,
but he was trying to tell us, listen,
take an inventory of your life.
Who around you do you give
time to or spending time
with that's sinning and
you're ignoring it or
you're tolerating it?
And what could you do to change that?
He ended the message last night.
I'm going to get to some
other of these things,
but at the end of it with
get radical about removing
sin from among you.
Amen.
Radical.
We get pretty radical.
I don't think so.
I mean.
We don't hang around any of
the people that we used to
hang around with.
Right.
But we didn't.
We cut alcohol out of our.
Right.
But we didn't.
Yeah.
No, you're right.
We left.
But we didn't do the open rebuking thing.
No, no, no.
Not that.
I'm talking about the radicals.
From moving it from amongst us.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So I don't sweat as much as
I used to in church.
I mean,
I'll sweat based on the message
that I'm hearing.
I try not to look around and say, yeah.
It's hard for me to reach.
Start with Carrie's.
Hi, Corrine.
Oh, hi, Corrine.
Sorry, we didn't see you.
Oh, Darcy.
And Darcy.
Hi, Darcy.
Sorry, I didn't go up high enough.
Hello, Darcy, Corrine.
And now, Carrie.
I've recently been focusing
on loving others regardless
of their tomfoolery.
Yeah,
it's important in light of what we
just read.
yes you can love them but
you don't need to be
hanging around them right
it's kind of like uh when
jesus would hang around
certain the tax collectors
the prostitutes and that
kind of stuff yes that's
what people always give as
an example yeah but he
wasn't he wasn't partying
with them right witnessing
to them witnessing to them
entirely different
And Pastor Mark Driscoll,
we talked about this a while ago,
talked about that.
How do you describe your inner circle,
your personal circle,
your ministry circle,
and your witnessing circle?
Like who you do life with.
That should have certain qualifications.
These are the people that you do life with,
that you pray for, that you frequent,
and you spend time together.
And then you have a ministry
circle where you're
ministering to people.
You're trying to love on them.
They're loving on you,
but they're not part of
your inner circle.
And then there's a wider
circle that you're
witnessing to that are all
kinds of people.
I mean, at church,
you're sitting next to
people that you have no idea.
Right.
And so you need to be kind.
That's what I would consider
your ministry circle, your church circle.
Yeah.
And how many times have we
sat next to somebody and
then they begin to talk
about what's going on in their life?
Whoa.
Okay.
Let's pray.
Right.
Or come to our home church
and see what we can do for you.
Lisa is doing the same thing as Carrie.
Kate says.
We are commanded to love
others and that's inclusive.
Sometimes we get stretched
emotionally and that's our gift.
I'm sure we are a pain to others too.
Yes, absolutely.
Give something, take something.
Yeah.
The Lord will guide you always.
He will satisfy your needs
in a sun-scorched land and
will strengthen your frame.
You will be like a well-watered garden,
like a spring whose waters never fail.
Isaiah 58, 11.
Wait, what?
There was bestiality in Corinth.
What's Impala?
Impala.
Impossible.
Let's see.
Tell us later on.
And Paul is supposed to be animals.
Making animals unclean.
Oh, okay.
So that's why they had to be destroyed.
Oh, interesting.
Thank you, Carrie.
She has so much information.
Yeah.
Kate says,
Australia is known and sung
about as a sun scorched land.
I didn't know that.
Uh, Corrine saying, wait,
what judge judge depends on
what scripture you read.
Oh, Corrine doesn't mind me sharing this.
Um,
I think it's going to be okay.
Because we know Corrine's a new believer.
She's like me.
Like Christian in name only.
But we were at the school
board meeting the other day.
And some of these people are
really getting on our nerves sometimes.
And I think she might have
said a word that
would be considered a curse word.
And she goes, oh, and she goes, really?
I can't cuss.
And I go, no, you can't cuss.
I mean, we all try.
It's important.
Not easy.
I started laughing so hard.
I said, yeah,
we have to refrain from cussing.
Actually, a friend of mine was on a date,
and he was trying to
explain the same thing to his date,
who's also trying to be a
better Christian.
She's like, ooh, is it Panticus?
And he's like, yeah.
So she's like,
so I have to try to control it.
And he's like, yeah.
Welcome to the club.
It's not like all of us were
born this way.
Yes, I sinned.
Thank God Jesus died for us.
Yeah.
At least it says.
I've been reading a lot of
the Old Testament lately also.
Fantastic.
So much we learned from the Old Testament.
It says so much about Jesus.
Every time I read it now,
because that's where I, you know,
with the one-year Bible,
they spend a little bit of
time in the Old Testament,
a little bit of time in the
New Testament.
And I love the way that that
is done because it really
brings to life the
knowledge of the Old
Testament is as much about
Jesus as the New Testament.
Amen.
So I can see it.
Right.
Yeah.
So it's awesome.
I really love that.
And Kareem's good.
The judge don't judge.
And Lisa's saying,
God has removed most of
those people from my life
because it's pretty simple
and daily interactions are with family.
There you go.
Simple solution.
Impala like a gazelle.
Carrie's saying, you're not alone, Lisa,
but he brings people to my
door and I go for it.
Nice.
Like Mormons or...
Yeah, I mean, you know,
Carrie's funny because
that's the way the Lord works, right?
She's pretty much homebound
because she's taking care of Eddie.
But yet random people show up at her door.
Or no,
just like neighbors and other people
that she's interacted with
just to make sure she could
polish her skills.
I'm going to put my glasses
here so that I can read my
own writing because I'm
writing on my leg.
But I really love these five things here,
the ways of safeguarding
and staying close to the Lord.
And Pastor Bob says, number one,
love and follow him closely.
Amen.
Love that.
Two, obey him earnestly.
yes whatever earnestly like
just daily just put
attention to it don't just
take it for granted don't
assume it's just going to
happen be intentional yeah
I like that intentional
intentional like that word
number three listen to him
diligently again same kind
of focused attention
So since it's not hearing him,
it's listening is taking in
the information and doing.
Don't just be hearers of the word,
but doers also.
Oh, look at you.
That's from James.
Number four, serve him passionately.
Yes.
Okay,
now that's where I need a little work.
I can serve him in some ways
somewhat passionately.
I'm still having the problem.
of sharing with people that
I'm even meeting for the first time.
It's coming along,
but it's definitely not passionately.
How do I work on that?
Sometimes I see you talking
to somebody and I can see
you're passionate with
these people that you're
meeting for the very first time.
And there's an excitement
that you get in your eyes
and in your face and in your emotions.
Like that mom from China.
Yes.
Yeah.
So cool.
Yes.
I got to drum that up.
Not drum it up in a false sense.
Like fake it.
I don't want to fake it until I make it.
I just want to do it.
That comes from God.
It comes from the Holy Spirit.
Because that's not natural to us.
That comes from...
you know, praying every day, Lord,
may I be a blessing to others today.
May I be of use to you.
May I be of use to the kingdom today.
May I expand your kingdom today.
It's literally years of
repeating the same prayers
over and over in one form or another,
that I just want to be of
benefit to someone beyond myself.
And then looking for those opportunities.
See, that's the other thing.
Do you guys have the same thing?
Am I the only one that you
have good days and bad days?
Like there's days, like it actually comes,
like there's a little bit of excitement.
And there's other days like I avoid,
like I can tell this person
needs prayer and I walk the other way.
No.
Oh, yes.
I'm horrible.
I'm a horrible person.
I'm a horrible, sinful person.
But it's...
I go, oh, no.
And I try not to wear a
shirt that's going to be a
magnet for me having to be passionate.
You mean your jeans?
Sometimes I go, you know what?
I'm just going to wear a
blank shirt today.
Wait,
you never tell me about these stories.
Oh, yes.
No, no, no.
Almost every day that I put on a God shirt,
I'm doing it for attraction.
Okay.
Not attraction to me, obviously.
Attraction to be able to give.
No, to be able to share.
Like God is great.
Okay, but do you share?
Or do you run?
No, I do.
You put the God shirt and
then run from the... I like
walking into the gym and
like leading with my message and saying,
and Jesus is great.
I want them to see Jesus.
I know,
but do you ever have a conversation
about it?
Oh, okay.
Not always.
No, not always.
I have a conversation with my presence.
And then when is there times
that you run from it?
When I wake up in the morning and think,
you know what?
I just want to go through the day and just
just slip through.
Is it because you don't want
to be accountable?
I don't know.
I just, you know,
there's certain days where you just,
you dress down.
Yes.
Yeah.
But I don't want to see, this is,
this is the thing.
This is the reason I'm
reading this because I want this.
I want to serve him passionately.
Period.
Not serve impassionately on
Mondays and Thursdays.
I'm saying this to you as
much as I'm saying it to
Corrine and as many times
as I've said it to myself.
Is that we do not do it in
our own strength.
That's why I keep telling you,
you have to pray for it.
Because in our own strength,
we want anonymity.
In our own strength,
we want to be able to just walk away.
In our own strength,
we want to just cuss when
something pisses us off.
But when we pray for it,
you do not have because you do not ask.
Those who ask shall receive.
Those who seek shall find.
The doors, when you knock,
shall be opened to you
because you're praying for them.
Because the Holy Spirit in
you is working through you
to accomplish that.
these things.
It's not in your own strength.
It never can be.
So you have to start praying for it.
When it's this,
when it's serving him passionately,
the moment happens and then
I walk away and say, that wasn't even me.
Right.
Because it's not you.
Have you gotten used to yet
the point that it's not you?
No.
You just think it's good
days and bad days of Andy.
Stop.
Andy's always bad.
It's good days and bad.
The days the Holy Spirit
shines through and days he doesn't.
I have that moment.
I get in my truck.
I pull down the mirror and I said,
you were awesome.
No, I don't.
I love that look.
No, I don't.
I just go, wow.
I go, that was really God right there.
That was, I recognize, I feel it.
And I know it.
I know that definitely was not me.
Okay.
So I'll say, well,
you need to get in the car
and tell yourself, I,
that is definitely not me.
I was a vessel.
That was me being Joe Biden.
I was just nothing but an empty suit.
God used me.
Man,
I never wanted to say that ever again.
Don't ever let me say that I'm Joe Biden.
I would rather have God just strike me.
What's this one here?
She has very lovely things to say to you,
Lisa.
What's this?
I have a great conversation
with Uber drivers that are Christians.
Always ask people if there's
something specific.
I can pray for them before I
leave the Uber.
That's awesome.
I'm in a lot of Ubers and that's,
I think probably.
Pastor Jack likes that too.
He does it in Uber.
I wouldn't say more often,
but I'd say quite often.
Which is funny.
That's actually the time
when I don't talk.
Really?
Yeah.
I have both.
That's,
that's exactly what I'm talking about.
There's days like I say, Uber dude,
I'm not interested in
hearing about your life in India.
Yeah.
I don't want to know.
And why don't you clean the
inside of your car?
Because it's disgusting.
There's something that Uber says.
Oh my gosh, New Mexico?
Almost the dirtiest cars
I've ever been in.
Hawaii being the worst.
Hawaii is absolutely the worst.
Hawaii, our Ubers are dirty?
When I was in Honolulu.
Honolulu was horrific.
But yeah, other times,
great conversations.
And Lisa says,
Andy,
I think you passionately do all the
things you do for the
community and the school
board and the podcast and
the father of five and a great husband.
That's pretty passionate.
It's all God.
I have nothing to do with any of that.
Honestly, Andy,
many have that struggle and
me thinking I need to drag them to Jesus.
Screaming.
Oh, my goodness.
Lisa, thank you, Gary.
That was awesome.
Same.
Yes.
And she said, I love that.
The shirt is Sharon.
Well, it depends, Corrine.
You can wear the shirt and
be a horrible witness to
Jesus where Jesus is
basically saying to himself,
can you please take the T-shirt off?
Because I don't know what
this is doing for me.
You know, I got rebuked by the other day.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Sorry, Corey knows it, right?
It's our friend Jocelyn.
She's a, she's Mormon.
Fantastic.
She's the one who has the,
the son with Down syndrome
who gave that great speech
at the school board meeting.
Fantastic.
Great family.
But yeah,
I was introducing you to her and I said,
Jacqueline, this is Hedia.
And I go, not Jacqueline, Jocelyn.
And she goes, okay,
I'm going to tell you something.
This is Jocelyn, number one,
and it's Chernice, not Chernice.
She's like, I am sick of you.
I'm sick of you not knowing
people because I almost
said Corinne when I met Corinne.
And I do that all the time.
I wanted to tell her.
My mom calls Alexa her
living housekeeper of 15 years, Alexi.
We've known our name as Alexa.
I want to tell Jocelyn, hey, listen,
you're going to have to get used to this.
This is just my kids.
I call my kids other names.
I've been smacked in the
head a hundred times.
Yes,
I called them by their friends by
other names.
I never, it's just who I am.
That's my thing.
Sometimes I do it on purpose
and sometimes not really.
So what's Chernice's proper name?
Because I've only heard how you say it.
I hear you say Chernice.
Chernice.
I think so.
I'd say it different ways.
Who's at the door?
I don't know.
Is that God?
Go through the day and sin away.
I get it.
oh goodness many times we
get a nudge from god to
talk other times we wait
for the opportunity some
days people are open god
gets them ready to receive
and you just know yeah
absolutely all right I got
one more sorry I didn't
finish the list um number
five cling to him tightly
no cling to him tightly
ain't that the truth um I
think that was awesome
Those five things I think
I'm going to type out.
Good.
Put on my mirror.
I have it typed up.
I'll send it to you.
Do you really?
You know, I take notes on my desk.
I transcribe it on my phone.
No, I'm just going to put this up there.
My wrinkled piece of paper
will smudge it all over it.
What do you think about
those shoes that they're
selling for $200 to $300 that are dirty?
Purposefully dirty.
The Golden Goose are $500.
What?
Yeah.
I don't know if you guys saw
this the other day,
but it was on The Five.
Jesse.
One of the only shows I like
on Fox nowadays.
Or was it Jess?
Jesse.
Oh, it was Jesse.
Jesse Waters.
Those two.
Anything that Jesse's on, I watch.
He's fantastic.
But he was showing these
pairs of shoes for $200-something to $500,
as Hedy was saying,
that are sold intentionally
with dirty spots on them.
Why?
Because they're supposed to look worn.
See?
These are even worse.
I'll just sell him a pair of
Rhett's shoes or Bo's shoes.
It reminds me of our friend, right?
She's got a whole look that's like that.
It's the million-dollar homeless look.
It's so funny.
The reason I bring that up,
it made me think about it,
is that I feel like I'm that.
That's the kind of Christian I am.
I think that God has done an
amazing work in me.
I've got a lot of work to do
and I'm walking around and
God sees me as that dirty shoe.
Because I like that shoe.
That shoe's worn.
Been through a whole lot of stuff.
But he's still useful.
I'm still going to use that shoe.
I feel like I'm an old,
dirty shoe that's still being worn.
But you're expensive?
And very expensive.
Okay.
Why aren't you a thrift shop
dirty shoe that's only $9.99?
Because they're kind of smelly.
And you know, I'm not smelly.
You don't like smell?
No.
That's the one thing I got from my mom.
Can you imagine your husband
lying next to you and be like,
it's amazing you don't smell bad.
That's so strange.
Did your other wife smell bad?
Why did you say that?
I mean, that's a weird problem to have.
Aren't you happy about
yourself and that I recognize?
To me, that's a given.
It's not, schnuggs.
i just had no idea that's
not a given this seems so
bizarre to me how how is it
possible oh boy I smell
your clothes and your hair
and I go yeah he's just
like you don't smell and
your legs don't feel like
sandpaper wow it's really
important to keep marriages alive
four years in you got you
got to be able to
appreciate your wife
doesn't smell the things we
share yeah that was after
it was after what four
years or three years how
long we've been together
something like that
something like I just
wanted you to know I think
it's important the most the
most important reason that
I'm you know that I'm still
here is that you don't
smell look lisa says she
can't imagine that
Can't you imagine a spell
smelling bad or asking about it?
Which part?
Jackie, actually,
I don't know if any of you follow her,
Jackie Perry and her husband,
it's about the Perry, with the Perrys,
their podcast.
She has a problem with depression,
so they went through this...
whole story of her getting
this really bad stomach
ache having this really bad
anxiety and him flipping
out that maybe because she
started crying and he says
she never cries and so he's
just like oh no we need to go to the er
In Chicago.
Oh, no.
Okay.
So he drives an hour and a
half away so they don't go
to like a real ghetto hospital.
And he says, and they sit in there.
And they start telling their ER story.
And it reminded me so much
of you and me in the ER.
And he says, there's one person,
some lady throwing up in the corner.
And then she starts running
around throwing up.
She's going all over the floor.
And he's like, woman,
can you just sit down with that?
In one place.
Can he just stay in one place?
And then Jackie looks at him and says,
I think we should go.
And he looks at her and he's like, really?
I mean,
we don't know if there's something
wrong with you.
She's like, but is it worth it?
And he's like, okay, baby,
whatever you say.
And she's like, and by that point,
mama meds had kicked in.
Then everyone's like, wait,
what are mama meds?
And she's like, when she calls her mom,
she's like, mom, did you give me crack?
She's like,
what's that painkiller you just gave me?
And then Perry says, her husband says,
because, you know, black people,
we share our meds.
You're not supposed to do that.
So we have no idea what that
medicine was that she took.
But it just reminded me of
the horrible things that
happen in the ER.
And just, I mean,
just about married couples
and what you go through and
the things that you
experience and see and the
adventure of doing life.
Yeah.
With another person.
I can't.
Lisa says it was about the
$500 dirty shoes.
Oh, yeah.
I don't understand either.
I spent all my life getting
those new pair of shoes and
trying to keep them as
clean as possible for a couple of weeks.
You just don't want them to get dirty.
And then I met you,
and you actually clean tennis shoes.
I clean tennis shoes, yes.
They should be sparkling white.
I get mad when people in
this house walk around with
dirty tennis shoes.
I don't know about that.
There's stuff to clean your shoes?
I thought that was only at
the malls when those guys
were trying to sell you.
No, I've got all of those.
I've got the malls guy stuff,
and then I've got my own stuff.
Wow.
I used these very powerful
hospital astringent wipes on them first.
Yeah.
It's a whole system you got going on.
You should start your own business.
Shoe cleaning?
Yeah.
Finish your cleaning business.
Yay.
You could be the Eastlake
finish shoe cleaner.
Oh, wow.
You'd come outside.
First, I was the janitor and I got fired.
I'm the shoe cleaner.
Someday we'll have to tell that story.
think we did tell that story
no no we didn't tell the
end yes we didn't tell you
the whole whole thing one
of these days anybody need
any prayer uh lisa just
gave us one oh can you
click on it yes the power
of gratitude praise report
for my daughter-in-law to
hayley who just got out of
surgery and everything went
well praise jesus awesome great
How's Pastor Bob's son doing?
Much better.
No permanent paralysis.
He unfortunately had a fall
that hit his head against a
brick fireplace when he
tripped and broke facets.
facets of the joints between
the spinal bones.
And then split a nerve in the neck,
so it was sprouting blood,
but it didn't rupture.
So the vein would have ruptured,
he would have died.
If he would have broke the
bones of the spine,
he would have been paralyzed,
but he broke the facet
joints between the spine.
Wow.
So he had the spine fused
together and his prognosis is great.
Yeah,
because he was able to leave the
hospital and go to Home
Depot or something like that.
Yes.
Back home.
Running his race.
Yeah.
So awesome.
Yeah.
So we're quite grateful for that.
All right.
Anybody else?
Yeah.
Anybody else?
I think another praise
report I want to request
that you mention to God is
Zara's going to church and
then going out to In-N-Out
Burger with some of the
peeps from her youth group.
I think that's awesome.
She just got invited to Ellie's party,
but we're supposed to be in Palm Springs.
I told her maybe we can get back in time.
I think it's awesome.
It's like a shift.
Remember, was it last night?
Was it during Bob's message
he was talking about
I've talked about this in
business all the time,
but not in relationship to our faith.
And that is these little
tiny shifts can mean so much at the end.
Because it's just this little change.
A little change can change
things immensely down the road.
And I think that that's been
the great thing for Zara.
Just these little tiny
little shifts here and
there has made so much of a
difference in her life.
And speaking of that,
I just wanted to share
something with the audience
because I think it's
important for all of us
that are raising children.
And Lisa,
I think of you all the time when
I see pictures of your grandchildren.
I'm sure your grandkids have wonderful,
loving parents, but it is so important to
for young developing children,
so between the ages zero to six,
to get proper love and attention.
That is what creates executive function.
So that is how the child
learns to self-regulate, to have empathy,
to show compassion as they
grow up because they were
properly nurtured and
therefore they can reciprocate.
So my daughter didn't have
that growing up.
So when she turned six, seven,
eight years old,
she had absolutely no empathy.
Like it used to scare me.
I used to talk about this
with a therapist all the time.
I could cut my finger.
I literally cut my finger,
was going to the hospital.
I was like, sorry, look, oh my God,
I cut my finger and I was crying.
And she was like,
are you going now?
Like stone face, not like, are you okay?
She didn't even look at it.
She just, and it was so strange to me.
And so it took a while for
me to understand what the
therapists were saying that
it's this lack of, of executive function.
So when she came and wrote me,
so we got in a little bit
of a tussle over the
weekend and she wrote me
this beautiful letter
explaining why she did what she did,
that she loves me and she's
sorry about how she treated me.
And so I was talking in
family therapy today to the
therapist and I said, you know,
I was really worried that
she would never develop empathy skills,
compassion.
And the therapist proceeded
to tell me that that can
actually be learned.
So if you don't pick it up
when you're young,
it's these incremental
steps as children start to
human beings start to feel
that they are safe.
and that they are loved and
that they are cared for,
they can learn to reciprocate.
They learn to open up.
They learn to trust.
They learn to speak their minds.
They learn to care for others,
realizing that it's not gonna detract,
seem,
Because when you're trying
to protect yourself because
people have abandoned you,
you don't give love because
you're afraid it's going to
not be reciprocated.
Right.
So once you are in loving relationships,
you could learn then to
give without fear of losing.
Wow.
So keep loving your grandkids, folks,
or your children, whatever it may be.
And it's so, especially grandparents.
I think it's been phenomenal
for my daughter to spend
time first with her grandfather,
now with her grandmother,
because that kind of unconditional love,
that doting that comes from grandparents,
it's very different than parents.
There's no discipline
involved in the
grandparenting as it is
with parenting or less discipline.
It's just,
It's so important for young
people's development.
Great information.
Yeah, so that's all I got.
Carrie New says,
facets hold the spine in place.
Yes.
Drama.
That's where I have my
arthritis and my facet joints.
Fascinating.
Okay, we're going to land the ship.
look see our friends joined
us even if it's four
o'clock in the afternoon we
are off to zara's last uh
championship finals
tomorrow so we'll be off
but maybe we could try to
broadcast yeah I got my
tripod and everything in
there maybe we can oh yeah
great we can do that yeah
we have plenty of time okay
we'll be in palm springs
yes and tonight we're on
our lead because we have uh
our community church
tonight so yes pray for
that too for us that um
we grow closer as a
community and we learn
stuff that is of benefit for all of us.
It's awesome.
And through Calvary Chapel East Anaheim.
Can they still join if they
want to join us tonight?
Of course.
Karina,
you want to jump in the car and come by?
You're most welcome.
Lisa Wu, anybody?
Yeah.
All right.
Uh-oh.
It's fine.
It's Kelly calling.
Dear... You want to hit it so you can...
Dear Lord,
thank you so much for this
opportunity to spend time
with your sons and daughters.
We are grateful that you use
these earthen vessels where
you have placed your Holy Spirit,
that there's no longer an
external temple that we
must go to to sacrifice or to worship you,
but you are within us.
And we are that holy temple, Lord.
We're so grateful.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for faith.
Thank you for the indwelling
of the Holy Spirit and
We plead the blood over our
lives and those of our
family members and our loved ones, Lord.
And for anyone who may be
listening who does not yet know you, Lord,
may these words pierce
their hearts and that they
feel your presence and that
they reach out to you and
they find a way of learning
more about you, Lord.
There's so many resources
available to humanity these days.
People have no excuse not to know you,
Lord.
And we ask that you meet
each and every one of them
in a special way, in a miraculous way,
so that they know that you
are the one true living God.
Give blessings, Lord.
We raise up Eddie and Carrie,
Kate and Lisa,
all of our friends that are,
and our other friend, Lisa,
that is recovering from an illness.
Lord,
we lift up all of our friends and Jan
that are recovering from illnesses, Lord,
and ask for restoration
over their bodies and over
their health and their loved ones, Lord.
We love you.
It's in the mighty name of
Jesus that we pray and that
we ask all things.
Amen.
All right, my friends,
pray for us for our church tonight.
It's our first night.
That would be, oops.
First night of the second session.
We love you guys.
God bless.
Take care.