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And Isaiah 5160.
Orator.
5116.
Orator.
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Orator.
I think it's orator.
But I think there's orator.
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Qatar.
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All right.
Isaiah 51, 16 is the reference.
And it says,
And I have put my words in thy mouth,
and I have covered thee in
the shadow of mine hand,
that I may plant the
heavens and lay the
foundations of the earth
and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
So poetic.
Beautiful.
God's so poetic.
Wow, that amazing God.
Yes.
A.W.
says, the Christian minister,
as some has pointed out,
is a descendant not of the Greek orator,
but of the Hebrew prophet.
The differences between the
orator and the prophet are
many and radical.
The chief being that the
orator speaks for himself
while the prophet speaks for God.
The order originates his
message and is responsible
to himself for its content.
The prophet originates nothing.
What?
How did I get that wrong?
Yeah.
The prophet originates.
Yeah.
nothing but delivers the
message she has received from God,
who alone is responsible for it,
the prophet being
responsible to God for its delivery only.
The prophet must hear the
message clearly and deliver it faithfully,
and that is indeed a grave
responsibility.
But it is to God alone, not to men.
Lord,
please help me never to rely on my
own thoughts or message.
Give me a word from you as I
stand before your people.
Amen.
You know, as we read this,
or however many times we
read it before we went live,
it really has been the one
thing that we've talked about, I think,
ever since we started doing
the show together.
The difference between the
different churches that we
have visited over the years.
And we have learned this lesson.
And we identify it so quickly now.
It's awesome.
Either at a church visiting just to see,
you know, just to check it out.
We don't do that as much as we used to.
Yeah.
Kind of go from church to church.
But even when we're watching the minister,
you know,
some ministry online or what have you, or,
you know, somebody sends us something,
it's pretty clear who is an
orator and who is a
minister or a prophet.
we had this conversation
earlier and I know you have
a lot to say about this,
but I don't ask you.
Um, uh, we were,
we were talking about pastor Bob,
who was at Calvary chapel
East Anaheim and pastor
Jack Gibbs at Calvary chapel, uh,
Chino Hills.
And, um,
and you were saying that you're
not sure that they would
feel comfortable calling
themselves a prophet or
maybe Bob versus Jack.
Or do you think Jack would
call himself a prophet?
No, I think he's actually, he has,
I think he's actually said
that I'm not a prophet.
So the office of the prophet,
so it's very complicated.
I don't even know where to start.
But it depends on where you
are in terms of the gifts
and whether you believe
that prophecy is still revealed.
It depends on your school of thought.
So if you do believe, I believe,
and for the most part
evangelicals believe,
that the gifts are still distributed,
are still alive, still in operation.
But the office of the prophet is...
If I'm not mistaken,
and I'm sure one of our
audience members who is a
student of Pastor Jack would know too,
that the prophecy that they
stick to is the prophecy
that's been given already.
In other words,
expounding to the listener
what God has said in his
word about prophecy.
As opposed to someone like
our friend Mariemma, who's like,
everybody in the meeting
could be a prophet.
The Lord could give a word to anybody,
and that word would be
prophecy to the group.
See,
I don't think Pastor Jack would accept
that unless there's some
qualifications to the
person calling themselves a prophet.
So it sounds like... Feel free to chime in,
folks.
It sounds like...
I mean, because when I think of a prophet,
there's a level of stature
that goes with that being
called a prophet,
that it's somewhere between
a holy person and an angel.
To me, when I think about it,
that's just where I put it.
But I think in the way that A.W.
is using it,
that a prophet is anybody who
is hearing from God and
then sharing that message.
Right.
But in some conservative
schools of thought,
that can only be derived from the Bible.
There are not new
revelations of prophecy coming out.
It's only the revelation
that's been told in the Bible.
Hey.
Hello, Kelly.
Long time no see, my friends.
Hey, Kevin.
Good evening.
Where's Kevin from?
Michigan, Garden City.
He normally includes that.
Yes.
He's feeling lazy today.
Didn't want to type all that today.
Jan.
Hello, Jan.
Hi, Jan.
Hope you're doing well.
And Kate in Australia.
Hi,
where the majority of us stand with
Israel.
Amen.
That's the case.
I think I would like to say
everywhere as far as in a free.
world the free countries the
majority of the population
is not if you watch tv
they're only showing that
small group of people yeah
I mean when you look at the
graduations in particular
the universities 62 000
people don't get to go to
graduation and just usd
alone but I mean they go to
duke and what was it 24 people walked out
Yeah.
Of the graduation.
So I think that's where you
see the true percentage.
The rest of the students.
Oh,
Duke actually got to have their
graduation?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's where I believe
Seinfeld was speaking,
and they walked out on him.
Was he pro-Israel?
He's Jewish, yeah.
I know, but that's a... Trust me,
the people not going to
watch TV these days,
it doesn't matter whether you're Jewish.
It doesn't mean you're a Zionist.
True.
Yeah, I hear that.
Yeah, I still think it's still...
I mean, when they show where the people,
and most of those people
don't go to the college anyway.
So it's always a percentage
off because it looks like it's 100 people,
but only 30 of the people
there actually go to the university.
And they don't even know
what they're protesting for.
You ask them and they go, well,
I don't know.
They just need to do something better.
And I'm not sure what it is.
Purple haired atheists.
Oh, did you see that picture?
Speaking of the purple
haired atheist in Sajda
bowing to Allah during the
Palestinian rally.
I was thinking to myself, is this a hoot?
There's a whole bunch of gay
boys and girls in the back row.
That's going to be the
position they're in when
they cut their head off.
So I am so perplexed.
I am so perplexed.
And I'm thinking the tables
that I used to sit around with,
I can imagine all of my old
friends are like, Masha'Allah,
look at my people are coming to Islam.
Look at them praying.
I don't know what is happening right now.
I don't think they know that
they're coming to Islam by
doing that prayer.
Oh, goodness.
It's just madness.
Complete madness.
It's crazy.
Kate says,
Prophets who give personal
prophecy can be dangerous.
100% correct.
Thank you, Kate.
Don't get a big head now.
No.
I know everybody's got a
different opinion on it.
If some of our other friends are on here,
they would be like, that's not true.
Their gifts of prophecy are
still available.
So it all depends on who you ask.
I'm glad the air conditioner came on.
I was getting hot.
Let's read from Isaiah 51, 16 through 23.
Why don't you give us some
more stuff to talk about?
And I have put my words in your mouth,
the Lord says.
I have covered you with the
shadow of my hand,
that I may plant the heavens,
lay the foundations of the earth,
and say to Zion, you are my people.
Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem.
You have drunk at the hand
of the Lord the cup of his fury.
You have drunk the dregs of
the cup of trembling and drained it out.
There is no one to guide her
among all the sons that she
brought forth,
No,
there is none who can take her by the
hand among all the sons she
has brought up.
These two things have come to you.
Who will be sorry for you?
Desolation and destruction,
famine and sword.
By whom will I comfort you?
Your sons have fainted.
They lie at the head of all
the streets like an antelope in a net.
They are full of the fury of the Lord,
the rebuke of your God.
Therefore, please hear this,
you afflicted and drunk,
but not with wine.
Thus says the Lord, your God,
the Lord and your God,
who pleads the cause of his people.
See,
I have taken out of your hand the cup
of trembling,
the dregs of the cup of my fury.
You shall no longer drink it.
But I will put it in the
hands of those who afflict you,
who have said to you,
lie down that we may walk over you.
And you have laid your body
like the ground and as the
street for those who walk over.
So I was talking to Andy about this.
Amen.
That this is, you know,
the Lord's prophecies are
always a near time,
are oftentimes a near time
and then a future time.
So this is speaking of what
was about to happen in
Israel and what will happen in Israel.
And so when you see the
state of Israel today,
this rebuke where the Lord's like,
you don't listen.
You're being destroyed.
You're suffering his fury.
But guess what?
I will stop that one day.
I alone will stop that.
You know, and it's just so it's.
I was listening to this
commentator who really annoyed me.
And I was tempted to just
keep typing things in the
comment section because he
was going off on,
he was criticizing
evangelicals and saying,
why are you so supportive of Israel?
You say, oh,
they're going to usher in the end.
They're going to usher in the end.
Why would we want to support
people who usher in the end?
And we're like, wait, no, no.
They're not ushering in the end.
They have nothing to do with the end.
God's ushering in the end.
You know, they're just being Israelis.
You know,
they're just living in the land
and doing their thing.
You know,
God has said that they are blinded.
You know,
so it's not like they're
purposely doing this to
bring about destruction of mankind.
You know,
this is all according to God's plan.
This is what God knew would happen.
God tells us what's going to
happen because it's what always happens.
He's in control.
But people are, yeah,
so it's this rise of anti-Semitism,
this hatred of Zion, right?
You know,
and you see it now more and more
so even with Christians for
a variety of reasons.
Like I told you, like this guy was just,
it's ridiculous.
Why would the evangelical support Israel?
Why would we, you know,
we've talked about the other criticisms,
but this new one I heard was,
they're ushering in the end.
Why would you want to help them?
What?
This is a guy that was
calling himself a pastor?
He was a Christian YouTuber.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if we can call him a pastor.
Interesting.
Lisa Hernandez.
Okay, so here's another perspective.
Generally speaking,
we need to respect the
office of the prophet as
they are appointed by God
and subject to the Lord and the prophets.
Yes.
See, so this is the other opinion, Lisa.
You are...
aptly pointing out in the
distribution of the gifts,
1 Corinthians 14,
the spirit of prophets is
subject to the control of prophets.
Yes.
So some people believe those
gifts of 1 Corinthians 14
are no longer in operation.
So that's the difference
between John MacArthur's church and ours,
Pastor Jack.
Or, you know, I don't know.
I can't say exactly where
Pastor Bob lands on this.
But some of them...
Pastor Jack would definitely
say the gifts are in operation,
but I don't know how he
would specifically describe
the office of the prophet.
I think we need to talk to him.
You can ask.
I wish I would have read
this because I was talking
to him on Sunday for a little bit.
That would have been a great
question for him.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Where were you talking to him?
Just there at the front row.
He was just come by and said hi to both.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I know what he thought about this.
yeah the office of prophecy
oh I did speaking of I'm
supposed to have one too I
forgot to confirm that yeah
this is kind of I i would
like to talk to them both
jack and and bob about
their feeling on this
subject because I have this
new this new thought or aw
brings up a thought that
it's maybe it's not that
that's cups that love that stature
That I've always thought of
it as being that we need to
understand it as being like,
you're saying a gift.
Need to not be so it's it's like,
when I 1st started calling
myself an expert and I told
you I was being interviewed
by this guy for a book the other day and.
He was asking me at 1, what point.
After you wrote this book
that caused me to then
become an expert in, you know.
Reviewing dog cases, criminal cases,
evidence.
I said, you know,
I actually it was hard
because I felt like an
expert was something that
other people were and that
I don't feel like I could
ever achieve that name of
said that I could never call myself that.
And so I had to actually
stand in front of a mirror.
And I remember doing this
over there and look at myself and say,
you are the leading expert in this area.
And you need to start acting like it.
You need to talk like it.
You need to say those.
I gave Zara the same lecture
the other day.
Before tryouts.
Yeah.
That's great.
Yeah.
I said, listen,
you are a world-class athlete.
I said, this is what you do.
This is your arena.
I said,
so go out there and throw that tuck.
I'm like, cause this is what you do.
This is what you train for.
It's literally convincing
yourself because at some
point you have to remain humble,
but at some point you have to acknowledge,
wait, yes,
I've actually dedicated many
years of my life to this.
So I deserve to say that I
know what I'm talking about.
It's so necessary when I get
in front of a judge in a
federal court and they
begin to ask me questions.
I can't say everything well.
Well,
I slept on a holiday in Express and I
read a couple of books.
I mean, you have to be able to say, no,
I've studied this.
I've spent a lot of time on
this and researched it and
wrote a scientific study
that was peer reviewed and
published and go through
all those things.
then be able to speak as if I'm,
as if that I am,
that I know exactly what
I'm talking about.
So now bringing this to the profit thing,
profit.
At least it says people make
it weird and it's not supposed to be.
I totally agree.
Yeah.
I totally agree.
I think if you hear from God enough,
I mean, you'll know it.
There's times I think that
both of us have been on the
show or maybe even talking
to somebody that something
will come out of our mouth.
And I go,
I don't even know where that came from.
But to me, that's not prophecy.
No, not when it happens.
Somebody else would say it could be,
you'd be like,
you have a gift of prophecy.
But to me, that's not,
that's words of knowledge.
That it's just giving
somebody or it's exhortation.
or it's discernment where you,
like I felt that the other
day over a friend when I
was praying over her and
the words that the Lord
gave me to pray over her
made it obvious to her that
they were from the Lord.
But to me, that wasn't prophetic.
That was words of knowledge.
Like I was given words.
You weren't prophesying.
I wasn't prophesying over her.
I was just...
giving her words of
knowledge that would apply
directly to her,
he wanted her to hear that.
How often would that have to
happen before you would
then become a prophet?
I don't think that's prophecy.
I don't think that's the
definition of prophecy.
Interesting.
But maybe I'm wrong.
I know I have a number of
friends who would say I'm wrong, but
If you're even watching the replay of this,
make sure and comment,
let us know what your thoughts are.
Yes, how would you define prophecy?
And that's why I'm going
back to Pastor Jack,
because if I'm not mistaken,
he strictly defines
prophecy to be what you get
from the scripture to tell
about what will happen in the future.
That is prophecy.
As opposed to what I just described,
saying to my friend,
you're weary and you need rest.
To me, that's not prophetic.
Even when they say, wow, you know,
how did you, I mean, not just that,
but how did you know that?
How did you know that that's
what I needed today?
Because God gave me the word of knowledge.
God gave it to me to tell you.
But I still don't think that's prophecy.
I don't know.
What do you guys think out there?
Yeah.
In internet land.
Jan says, I agree.
Word of knowledge.
Thank you, Jan.
I said, Jan, what do you know?
Come on.
He's just being silly.
I can see that.
So then... What is prophecy?
Yeah,
so then when does it turn into prophecy?
When do you become a prophet then?
I mean, if we were to listen to what A.W.
is saying here in this message,
where do you think that
that... Because I think he's lowered it.
For me, he's lowered that...
that stature of that particular, you know,
designation.
It makes it sound achievable.
Like it's,
and he is purposely making it
sound achievable.
Was he more or less saying that we,
we should try to be more like a prophet,
not necessarily that we are a prophet,
but we should be reading the word,
listening for God's
prompting and speaking, uh,
in a way that honors God and
not for ourselves.
And that is,
So I listen to the remnant radio guys,
right?
And so they're charismatics.
They believe in the gifts.
And so they do this roundup
every year and actually a
couple of times a year
where they run through
prophetic words that were
given out and whether
somebody is a false prophet.
So schools of thought differ.
Some schools of thought
believe based on verses of the Bible,
the exact verse I cannot call to question,
but there are verses in the
Bible that say that if even
if one false prophet
word makes that person a
false prophet if they give
one prophecy that does not
come true they're a false
prophet the remnant radio
guys um have a little more
grace in the sense that
they say um the person has
to repent acknowledge the
false that they were wrong
um and they could basically
recover from that false
prophecy so they went back
a lot of people that
happened to a lot of people
during trump during the 2020 election
A lot of people kept saying
he's going to win.
He's going to win.
He's going to come back.
And like all those people
have egg on their face.
So the question is,
are they false prophets?
So the danger of saying that
prophecy exists and you are
a prophet is you've
elevated yourself to a
stature where people can be like, okay,
one false thing comes out
of your mouth and you
didn't become a false prophet.
And that's extremely dangerous.
Like it,
It's one thing to not have a title.
It's another to get a title
and being on the side of the enemy.
You know what I mean?
You just went from glory to abject shame.
They would have been a
prophet if they wouldn't have cheated.
If they would have cheated?
If they would not have cheated.
Well, I mean,
and I actually think some
people tried to get out of
their false prophecy that way.
Mm-hmm.
I was right.
Yeah.
But I couldn't.
There's no way that Biden
got 80 million votes.
But I couldn't predict that
they were going to cheat, you know.
But I don't think that counts.
I'm sorry.
I feel like I got a piece of
glass in my face.
So let me ask you this.
Can I ask you another question?
Do you first need to be a
pastor before you can be a prophet?
Can somebody be a prophet
without ever being a pastor?
If you go by 1 Corinthians 14, absolutely.
There's pastors that are
not prophets and prophets
that are not pastors.
All right.
Uh, Glenn considers himself a prophet.
Does he really?
Yes.
How do you feel about that?
Uh,
I think he's more a prophet than a lot
of the other people I know
because he's has an
anointing to warn the people to repent.
It's kind of like Jeremiah.
Like he reminds me of old
Testament prophets in
sackcloth and ashes crying
to people to repent and turn.
Hmm.
So I could see that.
Interesting.
But yeah, so you,
you run the risk of saying if I, you know,
I've got the gift of
prophecy and you say
something like for me, so Kelly's saying,
I think I can lay someone
on your heart to share something with.
Absolutely.
But that's not what,
but that's not going around
to calling yourself a prophet, right?
That's just like, Oh,
I think the Lord told me
something for you.
I want to share it.
Tell me if it's right.
But, um,
Yeah,
you run the risk of really being
ostracized if you go around
calling yourself a prophet
and then you start to say
stuff that doesn't come true.
All right.
I'm going to have to look a
little deeper into this whole discussion.
Because after I read what A.W.
said,
then I felt comfortable in saying that.
You're a prophet?
No.
no that's for sure uh pastor
jack and and to me pastor
bob are prophets from aw
tozer's definition yes
whether they want to be
called prophets or not or
accept that or not I don't
know right to me they are
because of general
application to the audience
yes because I don't think
anything they say is false
they're I mean for the most
part like they're not they they're not
Again,
so they are taking what's in the Old
Testament and in the New
Testament and explaining God's prophecy.
They're not making new prophecy.
He's not looking at the book
of Revelation and being like,
you know what?
I actually think this is a
prediction about the United
States coming and saving Israel.
You know what I mean?
They're not inserting new
facts into the book of Revelation.
So by that definition,
if we're saying they are
only expounding on the
prophecy that is in the Bible, yes,
I think by that definition,
they would both call
themselves a prophet.
But that's not what the
modern day definition of prophet is.
All right.
What's Lisa saying there?
There are different
scriptures on different ways to prophecy.
Different levels.
Kim Clement prophesied two
terms for Trump.
Yeah, I remember.
She was on the remnant radio list.
God also will give us
prophecy on things that can be changed.
There's that too.
Kelly says, I would never go around saying,
thus says the Lord.
Yeah.
You know you're in trouble
if you start doing that.
You can't read the Bible and
then finish and then say,
thus says the Lord.
Reading the text, yeah,
but you don't turn around
and say to your friend,
thus says the Lord, my friend.
You will get that new house that you want,
thus says the Lord.
He wouldn't say that.
For instance, Jonah, Jeremiah,
and Hezekiah.
So you're saying that the...
There's a long discussion, Lisa.
But so in Jonah,
you're saying basically
that the Lord sent him there.
So the first prophecy was
that they were going to be destroyed.
But then when he gets there, they repent.
And therefore, that prophecy was changed.
But I think if that's what
you're referring to,
like in the case of Jonah,
I think that's different
because that's the Lord
speaking both times.
So it's, again,
from the Bible and as an
Old Testament prophet and
the Lord spoke to him and
said that he was changing his mind.
And he was granting them
respite because they repented.
I think that's different
than the modern day
prophets who would
extrapolate their own
thoughts and say the Lord told me,
you know,
Trump's going to have two terms
or Trump's going to, you know,
Maybe that might come true.
I think all the people who said two terms.
They still have a chance.
Yeah, they still have a chance,
except if they didn't say,
we didn't say they were consecutive.
I'm going to promise that if
he doesn't win this time,
then I know for sure they cheated.
It's going to be virtually impossible.
Now that we've seen the two
run a country like the United States,
which one ran it better?
Why does that mean that he would win?
That means everybody's rational.
The rational people would.
You're right.
Purple haired atheists make such that.
OK, so there's nobody's rational.
Nothing's rational.
Did you see what happened in New Jersey?
No.
Oh, yeah.
It's a hundred thousand
thousands of people were there.
They still in New Jersey.
They should.
They may still be.
Which one?
Staying home and not voting
because they think those
people all that showed up are all voting,
but they're from Philadelphia.
Too big to fail.
Or what's the new slogan this year?
Too big to fake or.
the new Trump slogan.
I don't know.
I should know because I
watch everything he does.
Yeah.
They're making a slogan
meaning that we're going to
turn out so many people they can't cheat.
Yeah.
Bannon, I think,
is the one that came up with it.
Not too big to fail,
but too many to cheat or I don't know.
Yeah, something like that.
Kate says,
a prophecy should always line up
with the word of God and
out of the mouth of witnesses,
plus it needs to sit right
with your heart.
That's good, too.
Yes.
All right.
We'll ponder this a little bit more later.
If you guys have any more comments,
make sure and put them in there.
But, you know,
I got to ask you about
places like Albuquerque, New Mexico.
where I was just at.
One of the reasons why I haven't been on,
or we haven't been on is
because I've been traveling.
Today, I'm actually,
I was supposed to be in Portland,
but it got canceled.
Yay, Portland.
Land of the greenies.
Yes.
but Albuquerque,
New Mexico is so
interesting when you land in the airport.
Now,
if anybody's on from Albuquerque or
has a history of living in Albuquerque,
uh, feel free and let me know about this,
this city and state,
but New Mexico itself,
I've been in Santa Fe, New Mexico, uh,
a couple other cities in
New Mexico and they are, um,
do you want to capture that first?
Oh, too big to rig.
Yeah.
Um,
It looks a little bit
dilapidated like it's.
Like it's almost.
It's after like a an
apocalypse when you land like this,
And I'm sorry to say this,
but you land in the airport,
which is perfectly fine.
It's a fine airport.
And then you get in the Uber
and start going towards Albuquerque.
Destruction.
And it's just like all these... Crumbling.
There's just houses that
have looked like they've
not painted them in a very long time.
But you don't see any people
walking around.
And it's just like block
after block after block.
You don't see anything.
And then I get into the hotel.
And this is the person at
the desk and maybe one
other person walking around.
And it's a big hotel.
It's a big, fancy hotel.
The Clyde is where I was at
that you put me.
It was a fantastic hotel.
And then the next morning I
go to breakfast.
I'm the only one in the breakfast place.
What?
The only one.
I don't know.
That's what I was wondering.
Wow.
And there was a conference, a convention,
like a Taekwondo convention
that eventually I saw
somebody come out in a
Taekwondo like robe and stuff like that.
But I'm so used to when you,
when you go to places like, like the,
I mean that Albuquerque,
everybody knows the name Albuquerque,
New Mexico.
Like, you know, right.
They're from songs or whatever.
Like you, you think when you go there,
it would be a little bit of bustle,
not bustling, but maybe some bustle.
There was no bustles.
And I go, how does this city stay alive?
Like,
I just am so intrigued by that place.
Like, how is that possible?
How does it have an international airport?
I don't know anything about it.
Oh, wow.
I was just like going... I've never been.
Did everybody...
Am I left behind?
That's what I thought.
They sent you on an airplane?
I called you and I go, she's still here.
So I know that God didn't
take us up because you
would be gone for sure.
There's still some question about me.
But yeah, anybody know about Albuquerque?
Jan says,
Nazi provinces are just too used
to your Belinda.
Wall-to-wall people and
bumper-to-bumper traffic.
I agree, Jan.
Maybe.
But why do you have this huge hotel?
I mean, I was on the 16th floor.
Yeah.
There's 16 floors of a hotel.
I go to breakfast.
I'm by myself.
It's weird.
Both mornings, I was by myself.
Wow.
And one time,
I went at 6 o'clock in the morning,
which I thought, well, maybe it's early.
Yeah.
And the next day,
I went there at 9 o'clock.
And still by myself, me and the waiter.
Wow.
And the waiter's teeth are
kind of crooked.
And I'm thinking.
Kate says, thus says the Lord.
That's what she meant to say.
Yeah.
So about, again, about prophecy,
it needs to be confirmed by other.
Thus says the Lord.
That expression.
And when people use it as
more to do with control and
power over one another.
Sure is.
I have a message from the Lord for you.
Oh yeah.
That one.
And that kind of turns me
off a little bit.
Right.
Why would God need to talk
to you instead of me?
Yeah.
You and I have the,
there's a one thing that I
still am not used to is the
throw down the throw down
the hands on the forehead
and falling down.
Well, I, I don't,
I'm not a fan of being forced to do it.
Hmm.
Sometimes, I mean,
I've dropped when somebody hasn't touched,
has even just come close and just a tap.
But I don't like when they
just keep pushing you to drop.
Not a fan.
I don't think it's biblical.
I don't think it's necessary.
I am overcome by the love
and joy of the Lord.
I don't have to fall on the
ground to prove it.
Yeah,
it's interesting because I see people
that can, I mean,
something hits them and they drop.
And I just go, do I have some barrier?
And it always causes me to
have a little bit of a
question about myself.
And that's what everybody
else in the room thinks too.
And I'm thinking, how come I'm not...
But I feel, I mean, like I said,
when I talked about when I
was in Salt Lake City, Jesus would,
I know 100%, there's no doubt in my mind,
Jesus was standing in front of me.
Yeah.
And felt his presence.
It was something I've never felt.
But you still never didn't drop it.
But it wasn't somebody,
it wasn't nobody with their hand on me.
But you didn't drop that in
that occasion either.
No, the girl next to me dropped it.
Right.
It hit the ground.
And nobody touched her.
Sure.
Until after.
We all laid hands on her to
get her to stop.
Stop drooling on yourself.
It's crazy.
It was so crazy.
And that's shopping for
something different.
And she was sweating.
Like the water you could see
coming out of her pores.
It was the wildest thing I've ever seen.
It's so wild.
So that's it.
And then I'd go back to myself.
Like, why do we go to these?
The deliverance church that
we like battle cry.
They have little throw up tubes.
They're like little paper tubes,
because when people get delivered,
they start to vomit.
Yeah,
I wouldn't be able to do that either.
Can you imagine in front of everybody?
I will not vomit.
You're just in a row of people vomiting.
Zara loves it.
This is a trim.
Looking around like, whoa,
bro's going crazy over there.
If you see me vomit at something like that,
you know something's got a hold of me.
Because I...
Well, that's the point.
Everybody walks in super cool.
And by the end,
they're flopping on the
floor like a fish and vomiting, you know?
So you're like, wait a minute.
I know that guy was implanted because you,
I mean, you know,
for a fact that there's
this normal dude and he's
just been watching porn or
doing something naughty and
he's vomiting that demon up.
Yeah.
No,
because the people laying hands on him
will start calling stuff out.
They'll take... They'll call
your stuff out, all of that.
Yeah, they will be like... They'll start,
you know, porn, sorcery.
You want that bad check to the church.
Thievery, lust, you name it.
Wow.
All kinds of stuff they're calling out.
And you're just kind of like, ooh.
So I've...
So as a police officer,
I've I've gone into
locations and felt evil.
And I interviewed some
really bad people in an
interview room and felt the
evilness to two guys I talked to.
And I like there was this I
had to stay strong because
I'd interviewed them.
But it was I felt like, wow,
this is I got to get out of
here as soon as I can,
because it's this is not good.
I didn't want to catch it.
Whatever it was, it was happening.
Auschwitz.
When I went to Auschwitz in Poland.
Yeah, you mentioned.
Oh, that was.
I felt it in the air.
It was thick.
I feel that in Virginia.
Oh, really?
I don't like to.
Yeah.
Virginia.
Plantations.
Wow.
The plantations.
Anywhere where there were
plantations where you knew
that there was a lot of
black slaves murdered.
Yeah.
It has a very, yeah, and the Civil War,
you know, it's got a lot of deaths.
See, I told you.
Hold on.
Do you think the mic's still working?
Sorry, camera died.
I had a feeling that would happen.
Kate's saying, however,
once I did go down when God
did a deep healing over my
son who died and it was a
beautiful thing and no one was around,
you feel when it's God.
Oh, look at that.
Wow.
Wait, Kate,
when you say did a deep healing
over my son who died,
you dropped or your son dropped?
So he did a deep healing in
you as you were recovering
from the loss of your son?
Yeah.
And when you say you dropped,
meaning just like by the
power of the Lord, you fainted.
You just like you were
overcome with hit with the spirit.
That's the way they describe it.
It's just being hit with the spirit.
The power of the Holy Ghost
coming over you.
So I remember one particular
time we were at Mariama's.
It was like the one with
first times we went there,
maybe first or second time.
And you hit the ground hard.
Yes.
Like you just, your legs like,
just like disappeared.
What, what,
what was it that caused that to happen?
What do you,
what was it something that they said?
Was it something that I
forget who had their,
was it Mariana's husband?
No.
Or the tall guy?
The tall guy.
But did you feel like a
shock coming out of his hands?
No.
So I just, I'm trying to get that.
What's the purpose of that?
I mean,
what was it that God was telling
you or bringing to you that
caused you to drop?
So at that moment,
the only thing I can
explain is if you've ever fainted.
Like you have no explanation.
You don't know if it's your
blood pressure changed.
You don't know if it's some
kind of an illness.
You just drop.
Have you ever fainted?
No.
Okay.
So I have in a non-spiritual
context fainted too.
I stand up quickly.
I faint.
I get dizzy.
You get dizzy.
Okay.
Yeah.
Because you've had vertigos.
You know what that feels like.
But I don't know how to explain it.
This is more like...
Have you ever been hypnotized?
You have?
Yes.
Okay.
So do you know that?
Do you recall that feeling
of being conscious but yet unconscious?
Like you cannot control your
bodily movements, but you're still aware?
Yes.
That's the weirdest part
about dropping spiritually is that,
so when it first happened to me,
when I first came to Christ,
they were deliverance.
People were delivering me
from demons and strongholds
and things that I knew
because I felt those chains
coming off of me.
Later, later,
I felt like the Lord was
taking me somewhere and I
didn't want to go.
That one time that I dropped
into her house,
I felt the Lord reach his
hand down or was an angelic
being of some sort trying
to take me somewhere.
And I was afraid to go.
Wow.
So and then I and then I popped awake.
But a lot of times it's
there's this suppression of
it's a suppression of the body functions,
but the mind is still operating.
So you're still able to hear
and feel and sense,
but you can't move your body.
So the purpose or the reason
it happens is because
something is leaving you
suddenly and it causes you to.
Either it's leaving you or
the best way I can explain it,
and I think that's what Kate felt too,
is he wants you to
experience something spiritually,
so he has to suppress the body.
You can't have this
spiritual experience if
your body's in control.
If your faculties are in control,
your spirit won't be able to release.
So they drop the body so
that you can have this
basically kind of an outer
body experience.
It's described throughout the Bible.
John talks about it.
I was taken up to the third heaven.
Paul talked about it.
I was taken up to heaven.
So people and anything that
we see in the Bible,
we should believe that God
is still capable of doing
things like that.
So it's the ability to fall.
For God to have us have an experience,
a spiritual heavenly
experience while we're
still in this body.
Wow.
So Kate says here, she said,
I didn't feel it when I went down,
but God did a very deep healing.
I was shocked to find myself on the floor.
I love that.
He allowed me to see my son in heaven,
but he wasn't allowed to see me.
I got up fully healed.
Amen.
See, so that's Kate.
That's exactly what happened
to me in the sense that he
wanted to show me something.
But I got so scared that I
was that I was leaving my
body that I refused.
And then they stopped and
then I started crying
hysterically that I ruined it.
Yeah, because they were trying to,
you know,
I knew perfectly well I was
supposed to have a spiritual experience,
but I was afraid.
And my fear stopped it.
And then I was crying that I'd stopped it.
I ruined it.
Interesting.
So like in Kate's case,
if she would have resisted that,
if she would have gotten
afraid of seeing her son or
didn't believe or disbelief
could disconnect you too,
then she wouldn't have had
the experience.
Very cool.
That is so amazing.
Lisa asked if we've seen Nefarious.
Yeah, I saw it at Calvary Chapel,
Chuna Hills, as a matter of fact.
And that was very similar to
the man that I interviewed
that was... I don't know.
Suddenly you got Tweety Bird.
Yeah.
I'm getting my haircut on Thursday.
Thank goodness.
I have so much hair.
Tons.
That's not a sarcastic thing.
I don't know.
Why did you think that?
Because the ones I do have
are longer than normal.
Yes.
I feel like I got to put a
turban on and tuck my hair in my turban.
Are we going to land this plane?
But yeah, that nefarious dude,
he could be almost a twin
to this very violent rapist
that I was in charge of
because we call him 290 registrants.
And we all had our 290s that
we were in charge of.
So you check in with them
and check them with us,
like parole kind of thing?
Anytime he moves or he's
going to go out of state,
he has to tell us what's going on.
But yeah, he's an evil dude.
Yeah.
And he was just set free.
He was set free.
Yes.
One of his victims was one
of our dispatchers.
Oh, no.
And I didn't know that until
somehow the parole board
had contacted her and said
he just got assigned a new detective,
Detective Jimenez.
And then her and I were friends.
And so she called me and she goes, hey,
I understand you're going
to be taking over this guy.
I just want you to know what he did to me.
And she told me, let's go.
You've got to be kidding me.
So is that a coincidence
that she worked in the
police department or he targeted her?
Well, she lived in Anaheim.
And in the incident that
occurred in Anaheim.
No,
but did he target her because she
worked for the police department?
Yeah, she attacked her.
At like the grocery store?
In her apartment.
Wow, that's terrible.
A break-in.
Oh.
Yeah.
So Kate's telling us,
he took me back to the
hospital where my son was
born and I saw Jesus take him.
He said, Kate, I'm taking Derek home now.
He will be here when you come home.
Oh, I cried hysterically too.
Then peace.
Wow.
Oh, that's beautiful, Kate.
Wow.
That would be.
Extremely difficult.
Difficult, but good, but comforting.
So comforting.
Yeah.
Wow.
And to have that,
can you imagine if
everybody got that about losing a child?
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that, Kate.
Wow.
Can't imagine.
All right.
We didn't see any prayer requests.
No.
Good job.
I'm used to the banners.
We did those with Remnant Rising.
We loved using the banners
because we didn't know how
to make one thirds.
Yeah.
We had one, somebody that is close to us.
What's going on?
Well,
I thought we had somebody that has some.
Oh, yes.
my um men's bible studies
wife okay she's not doing
well same one yeah oh it's
the same sickness or is it
gotten worse it's just she
I think it's something else
I think she's just having a
difficult it's not horror
it's not like she's um
that's better like that
just it's not easy right now oh so
I think that would be the
person we definitely need to pray for.
So we can't say your name?
I don't know.
I just, you know what I mean?
Okay, so.
Unless they bring it up.
A friend that's not feeling well?
We've got a lot of friends
that are feeling well.
Yeah, you can say that.
I'm going to know which one
I'm talking about.
I don't know.
He'll know.
He knows what's in our heads.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you have any other prayer requests,
please put them in the chat.
I'm just going to get started.
Dear Lord, thank you for saving faith.
Thank you for the blood of
Jesus that runs through our veins,
for making us the royal priesthood, Lord.
We plead the blood over our families.
We plead the blood.
over our homes, over our marriages,
over our relationships, over our jobs,
over our future.
Lord,
we plead the blood of Jesus that we
are your children,
that we are grafted into
the family of God.
Whether we are Jew or Gentile, Lord,
we are your children and we love you.
And we're grateful for the
position that we have in your kingdom.
And we know we are not
citizens of this world, Lord.
As it gets crazier and crazier,
we look more towards heaven or look up.
Our redemption draws near, Lord.
Thank you for the wisdom to
be able to see that.
And we know you are in control.
We ask that you send saving
faith to our loved ones and
to our community members, Lord,
that they'll have dreams and visions and
We'll get to know you in a miraculous way.
We know that you wish even more than we do,
Lord, that none should perish.
And we just,
our hearts yearn for them to
come into the kingdom, Lord.
And we ask for your healing hand over Kate,
over Jan, over...
All of our friends that are suffering,
Lord, our friends that, you know,
as they're in our hearts
and we're praying for them,
that you heal their injuries,
that you restore their bodies,
that you bring wholeness, Lord.
We're so grateful for all
that you do in and through
us and that you will anoint
them with healing, Lord.
We love you.
We offer ourselves as a living sacrifice.
It's in the mighty name of
Jesus that we pray.
Amen.
Yes, I always include you in prayer.
Partied on Mother's Day.
Kate had a lot of fun on Mother's Day.
She went out to eat.
She went to the movies.
Get out of here.
She partied like it was 1999.
So she went back.
Nice.
Thank you, guys.
That's good to hear.
All right, my friends.
We love you guys.
Love you.
Thanks for waiting for us to come back.
Yes.
Thank you for joining us.
Let's get rid of this real quick.
All right, friends.
We love you.
Good night.
God bless.